Last night, I decided to play in one, and only one, tournament. I had made dinner for wifey Kim and I (spinach tortellini with sausage), and after chowing down and hanging out for a while, it was clear that wifey Kim was going to fall asleep, so I did what I usually do and pulled out the laptop.
I perused the options on PokerStars, where the majority of my ~$500 bankroll resides, and decided upon a tournament with a reasonable field, decent buy-in and potential for fun. It was a PLO (High only), six-person tournament, $20+2, with rebuys and an add-on. With $500, it was actually too high of a buy-in due to the rebuys, but I decided to play it a particular way because I was intrigued by the relatively small tournament and dead money. We were probably 40 minutes into the tournament, with the rebuy period and late registrations ending in about 20 minutes, so I hopped onto a table with a single buy-in, lost that within the time to rebuy, rebought once, won some pots to bring me from 1500 to 2600, and then took the add-on. My total entry was $62 (including fees), and I was still somewhere in the middle of the pack.
I was trying to figure out if my strategy made sense, and I think overall, it does. It would’ve made even more sense if I didn’t have to rebuy, but it still worked out well.
The plan was simply to join late enough that I would not have to play much of the rebuy period. I could get in on one or two buy-ins, wait for it to turn into a freezeout, buy the add-on, and then get down to business. When I checked the tournament lobby before registering, I noted that there were around 78 runners, with only 58 or so left. Obviously, some players decided not to rebuy, so there was a certain amount of dead money in the pot already. Technically, since the chips were redistributed, it wasn’t actual “dead money” as much as inherited money, but I was just focused on the amount of body bags I would need if I were to be successful. I budget three buy-ins, and then bought in with only one in case I needed to rebuy. If I had to rebuy again, I’d likely just fold, because I wanted to save the last buy-in for the add-on.
I kept a few hands from the tournament, so I figured we can have some fun and do a You Decide or two. Let’s have at it. And remember, I choose these hands because I think there may be room for improvement, so feel free to critique, but try not to hit me in the face. I bruise very easily.
You Decide #76
I lost my first stack to a suckout, which happens rather often in PLO. I didn’t think much of it, though, and got right back in the action. Shortly after the rebuy period ended, I was at 4,650, with the 2,000 add-on included. I was in the BB when I was dealt K
4
T
K
. Blinds were 75/150.
At the six-handed table, all but one player (UTG+1, aka MP) called. The pot was 750 when we saw a flop of 3
T
6
, giving me a draw to the 2nd nut flush. I also had an overpair and top pair, second kicker, but I didn’t think that’d be enough in this crowd.
I decided to bet out 600, mostly because this flop could have very easily missed everyone. In hindsight, this may have been a mistake. On one hand, I could win the pot outright without much if everyone missed. On the other hand, I open myself to a pot-sized re-raise, whereas before I was only exposed to a pot-sized bet from a player who presumably is drawing, given the board. As it were, UTG (4595) and the Button (8155) called.
The turn was 9
. With a pot of 2550, I checked. Once again, this may have been a mistake. I just cannot figure it out, now that it is the light of day. I don’t recall my thinking on this play as much as I recall my thinking in the last play. I was likely setting a trap, but I remember feeling concerned that someone was playing the A
X
.
UTG bet 1,200. He and I had similar stacks. When the Button folded, I took my time and remembered that ugly feeling, the Awfukkit Play. The Awfukkit Play is the play you make when you’ve had enough and just say, “Aw, fuck it. I call!” But that’s not what I did. I did the awfukkit raise. The awfukkit raise all-in to be exact.
And herein lies my dilemma. I think this was the wrong play, in hindsight. By raising all-in, I am only going to get called by a super strong hand. The all-in raise was for 3,900, and my opponent probably had 3,800 left, so if he had a weak hand, then he’d obviously fold. I was essentially making that bet, where the only time you’ll get called is if you already lost. Not good.
And yet, guess what happened? He called and showed 6
A
T
3
, for two-pair, 10s and 6s. How embarrassing!! I, naturally, took down the 10k pot, and proceeded on with the tournament.
So, results aside, was this misplayed by me? And how? Extra credit for showing your work!
You Decide #77
Moving right along. Blinds are still 75/150, but now, I have 10,820. I am dealt 6
K
T
K
, UTG. First to act, I make my standard 3x raise to 450. It folds to the BB (3450), who raises to 1425 (975 more). I call.
The flop was 4
5
J
. With 2925 in the pot, the BB pushed all-in for 2025. I called with my simple overpair. He showed A
3
9
A
. The turn was 7
and the river was A
. I lost to the set of Aces, but I was behind the entire way. Is there any way to get away form this hand preflop or postflop? Was this just me gambling too much?
You Decide #78
For the final hand that I recorded, the blinds were 100/200, and I had 7570, in the SB with 2
2
T
5
. UTG and the Button called. I called. The BB checked.
The flop was 2
8
6
. I had bottom set (222), a baby flush draw, and that’s it. It was something, but not a lot. I decided to take the initiative and bet 600 into the 800 pot. Only UTG (7585) called. We had comparable stacks.
The turn was a 9
. It could fill up a straight draw (57xx or 7Txx), but otherwise was a blank. The pot was 2k, and this time, I decided to rep a strong hand, figuring that I had a 5 and a Ten, making the straight less likely. My opponent pushed all-in. I waited a moment before calling off my last 4770. I figured that he probably had the straight, based on his re-raise, but I had lots of outs, including the flush and potential full house.
My opponent showed Q
A
T
7
. There went my potential flush. Thankfully, the river was a 9
, giving me a full house and the pot.
So, how’d I mess up this one? NOT THE FACE!
For an epilogue, that last win made me comfortable, but then I practically tripled up with AAxx versus two random hands from players that apparently hated their money. From there, I was in a strong position with about 30 players left (~4-6 place out of 30). As we neared the money (12 seats paid), I took some hits. I eventually got into the money 10th out of 12th. I was able to hold on as others dropped out and then began to use my abilities at measuring risk once the blinds got high. In the end, I took 4th place, good for $500 profit. I turned off the computer satisfied. I really wanted the top spot, $1,600+, but at least I got within spitting distance. That’s where I need to be.
The win has brought my Stars bankroll to around $1,000. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen that fourth digit in use. It feels gooooooooood.
Until next time, make mine poker!
November 2nd, 2010 - 3:39 pm
In the first hand, if you’re playing against competent players your raise is only going to get called by the nut flush and you will either get a fold or lose. I would almost never raise with the 2nd nut flush in PLO like that. He made an unbelievably bad call with just those two shitty pairs in that hand.
On the second hand, a preflop reraise in PLO almost every single time means AAxx. That’s just thousands of hands of PLO experience talking. Especially when you don’t have AA in your own hand, when someone reraises you preflop in other than a really short-stacked situation, you should always always put them on a pair of Aces and proceed with caution. I think laying down your KKxx preflop to the reraise is the best play in that spot, but assuming you called which you did, I think that is a very easy fold on the flop since you did not improve and did not pick up any meaningful draws. Again, once you truly accept that in PLO the preflop re-raiser has AAxx almost every single time, this is a must-fold on the flop if not preflop.
On the third hand, I don’t really have a problem with the way you played and described it, in particular because you said that when calling the allin on the flop with almost half your stack already in the pot at that point, you figured he probably was ahead of you (he usually will be in that spot) but thought you should stay in for the redraw outs. I’m too lazy to run the numbers but I feel like calling to resuck is not a bad play there. Just understand that in PLO, even flopping a set with a low pair like 22 is such a beatable hand, as compared to holdem where a set of 2s will almost always win a heads-up pot or otherwise oen with only a small number of players. I cannot count the number of times I have run into set over set with a pocket pair below 6s or 5s in PLO, I mean I literally could not count it. Not to mention the obvious straight on the board there, which the turn card was really bad for you with your set. I still think I would have called there as well most likely but am glad to see you acknowledging when you made the call that you were probably behind.
I think in a couple of spots in these hands you got incredibly lucky with your opponents actually having far worse hands than they will usually have in similar spots in PLO. It’s just such a different game from holdem and the types of hands that are easily playable in holdem can be more or less unplayable in Omaha in many cases.
If you take nothing else away from this comment, at least start to internalize the fact that a preflop re-raise in PLO from a non-short stack is almost always always always pocket Aces.
November 2nd, 2010 - 3:45 pm
HE players over rate big pairs a lot. Your KK is crap. Your KK did not hit the flop in any meaningful way. You need to fold.
In the 2nd nut draw hand.. well all I got to say is that drawing to second nut hands is gonna end up costing you more than it makes you.. You were luckily against a retard but in the long run your not gonna win there.
Nice victory and good that your bankroll is growing. try to play hands that work together more and let go of things like bottom sets and good hands that missed any good redraws. You often times should fold AA on a flop if it did not improve your hand by hitting a set or making a decent redraw…
November 2nd, 2010 - 3:54 pm
Thanks for the comments so far. One thing to be clear, I am well aware that the re-raise in PLO is usually AAxx. I knew better when I made the play, both pre- and post-flop, so I agree with both of your analyses 100% in that regard.
The problem I am dealing with, overall, is given the hands the players actually had, particularly in that ridiculous call by two-pair against my 2nd nut flush, should we be giving these players so much credit? I mean, I agree with Woffles comment re: the second nut flush, but did it matter that it was a tournament AND a shorthanded table? Does that mean that 2nd nut flushes should be LESS scared in this spot because tournament PLO plays different or shorthanded attracts a certain type of player?
This may simply be letting results get in the way of good decisions, but ultimately, what I mean to say is, If I followed the usual line of thinking on some of these hands, would I be inherently giving up value?
All valid points thus far, though. And that KKxx call vs. AAxx is just plain bad. No doubt about that.
November 2nd, 2010 - 3:58 pm
Have to agree with Hoy on #77. That reraise preflop almost always signals A-A no matter what the other two cards are. A lot of PLO players aren’t really playing Omaha but 4 card HE and tend to judge hand strength on that basis. When it comes to big pairs that can be deadly, especially if there is a whiff on the flop. I’m not a fan of the call there since the 6 is basically a hanger and you are more or less only playing with 3 cards that work together here.
#76 has the same basic flaw, you have a big pair but again only 3 cards working together with that hanger 4. It’s my mprejudice but I tend to possibly undevalue the big pairs on Omaha and am wiling to fold them if the other cards do not work together with them usually because you are looking for the two outer to make your hand. I’m looking for hands that are going to give me lots of chances to hit the flop with lots of outs to the nuts once it hits. Just MHO.
November 2nd, 2010 - 5:24 pm
Congrats on the ca$h.
November 2nd, 2010 - 5:59 pm
Most of the comments above are more reflective of PLO 2 years ago or full ring PLO.
From what I have seen on Full Tilt 6 max cash recently re-raise is AA or some sort of DS hand where cards work together in position.
Wolfshead is correct that big pairs are crap and 2 of your 3 hands are KK with 3 of a suit and one card that barely connects with King. but from what I have seen in cash is people don’t fold flushes when 3 or fewer see flop.
The 3 pair call is awful when a flush and a straight just got there but it is not that rare in cash.
November 2nd, 2010 - 6:36 pm
Bayne is right! My observations match his in every particular.
I routinely get away preflop (or postflop) from crappy KKxx hands because poor sidecards just leave you in terrible shape, especially if you are out of position.