Comments on: Fake Birthday and You Decide #72 http://www.highonpoker.com/2009/12/fake-birthday-and-you-decide-72.html Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:38:50 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Pokerwolf http://www.highonpoker.com/2009/12/fake-birthday-and-you-decide-72.html#comment-8273 Pokerwolf Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:34:06 +0000 http://www.highonpoker.com/?p=2203#comment-8273 I agree with HeffMike. Pick a better spot and stay out of it. You stated that you had "three wheel cards and a scoop hand" which is only half true. As you found out, people jam with Axxx where "x" is at least one low card. That means you're behind, even on the low. If you want to fiddle around with these hands in late-middle or late position, go ahead, but stay away from them in early position. I don't mind you stacking off with a draw, honestly, but what did you think everyone else had? It doesn't seem like you considered that at all based on what you've written. You did have a draw to the high, but you were guaranteed to be up against at least one Axxx hand which means you were pretty far behind for the low. I'm actually surprised you accounted for "any Ace" on the flop because, even at the low levels of PLO8, people call all kinds of stuff with Ace-low hands because they know they have a shot at 1/2 of the pot. I agree with HeffMike.

Pick a better spot and stay out of it. You stated that you had “three wheel cards and a scoop hand” which is only half true. As you found out, people jam with Axxx where “x” is at least one low card. That means you’re behind, even on the low. If you want to fiddle around with these hands in late-middle or late position, go ahead, but stay away from them in early position.

I don’t mind you stacking off with a draw, honestly, but what did you think everyone else had? It doesn’t seem like you considered that at all based on what you’ve written. You did have a draw to the high, but you were guaranteed to be up against at least one Axxx hand which means you were pretty far behind for the low. I’m actually surprised you accounted for “any Ace” on the flop because, even at the low levels of PLO8, people call all kinds of stuff with Ace-low hands because they know they have a shot at 1/2 of the pot.

]]> By: Heffmike http://www.highonpoker.com/2009/12/fake-birthday-and-you-decide-72.html#comment-8265 Heffmike Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:02:28 +0000 http://www.highonpoker.com/?p=2203#comment-8265 Hand is fine until overpushing - not because you haven't flopped a huge draw - mathwise, you're probably fine stacking off here - but because you're going to play a multiway pot for most of your stack with no fold equity where you have to get there, and even if you make it, there's no guarantee you'll hold for even half the pot (resucks with flushes/boats/better lows, etc) - you're courting way too much variance for a Stars PLO8 single-table SnG. Hitting the eject button with 1750 in chips in level 1 and one person likely gone after this hand isn't a bad thing. Actually, the turbo Stars structure isn't all that bad for PLO8. It's not as fast as you think, so you do have time to bet/raise people off of pots postflop and accumulate chips with far less variance. If this was a two-table SnG, or a FT SnG, where the structure plays quicker, I like gambooling more. Hand is fine until overpushing – not because you haven’t flopped a huge draw – mathwise, you’re probably fine stacking off here – but because you’re going to play a multiway pot for most of your stack with no fold equity where you have to get there, and even if you make it, there’s no guarantee you’ll hold for even half the pot (resucks with flushes/boats/better lows, etc) – you’re courting way too much variance for a Stars PLO8 single-table SnG. Hitting the eject button with 1750 in chips in level 1 and one person likely gone after this hand isn’t a bad thing.

Actually, the turbo Stars structure isn’t all that bad for PLO8. It’s not as fast as you think, so you do have time to bet/raise people off of pots postflop and accumulate chips with far less variance. If this was a two-table SnG, or a FT SnG, where the structure plays quicker, I like gambooling more.

]]> By: PirateLawyer http://www.highonpoker.com/2009/12/fake-birthday-and-you-decide-72.html#comment-8257 PirateLawyer Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:30:47 +0000 http://www.highonpoker.com/?p=2203#comment-8257 Fold preflop. Your position sucks and you shouldn't expect many of your aces to be live if you flop a decent draw. Also you are very rarely flopping a nut low draw. You can find much better spots to gamble. Fold preflop. Your position sucks and you shouldn’t expect many of your aces to be live if you flop a decent draw. Also you are very rarely flopping a nut low draw. You can find much better spots to gamble.

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