Comments on: You Decide #68

By: Drizztdj

Drizztdj — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:07:05 +0000

A23X suited is definitely a hand to see a flop with, not neccessarily showdown with.

Given the situation, I'd be inclined to fold preflop. Doing so is not a "nit" play here.

If you can assume AA is out there (overshove is the easiest hint), ANY high flop you're drawing dead to only a possible flush or some runner-runner 2s, 3s, or 7s.

Next time fold it, try a better spot to gamble since the blinds were not an issue at this point.

By: HighOnPoker

HighOnPoker — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:41:21 +0000

What's up with the vitriol, Brian? I post these hands because I acknowledge that the play is questionable, and I'm asking for input. No need to be a steaming cock about it. Also, your analysis is shit, which is probably worse than the needless shit talking. I am going to get quartered? By who? You see the hands they are playing. Brian, you probably sit there with a chart which tells you the relative value of PLO8 hands. Good for you. But don't you have to consider the player? Do you play a game against a table of pros the same as you would a game against a table of fish? I didn't just have any A2. I had A23, so quartering is possible, but it is not a foregone conclusion. It's one thing to comment and offer criticism. It's another thing to be a cock-knocker with a poorly thought-out critique.

By: Brian

Brian — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 03:35:19 +0000

For someone supposedly so intelligent ur really bad at the pokers, it literally makes me stomach turn listening to the hands you post Bascially ur praying for a low to come on the board, u have nothing preflop and chances are unless u made a flush ur going to get quartered with someone else having A2, ur really terri-bad bro—

By: Heffmike

Heffmike — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:54:13 +0000

I think I need to play these NLO8/PLO8 tourneys more.

Why not play a big pot here? I mean, if it's raised and repotted in front of you, yeah, maybe you fold and not take a high-variance line going up against all the likely AAxx and A2xx hands.

But as played, I would never ever ever fold this hand preflop in this spot.

By: HighOnPoker

HighOnPoker — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:45:03 +0000

Champ, if there is a bone to pick about your analysis (and I'm not sure that there is), it's that this is a NL tournament, and the play is expected to be much worse than an equivalent cash game or even a PL tournament. NLO8 is light catnip to donkeys. Also, I don't just have the A2 draw, but also the 3, so if the low comes, I have a better chance of not splitting the low. AND, its 3-way, so if I only take the low, I still increase my stack by 50%. Now, all that said, I'm not entirely convinced that my play was 100% correct. I'm also not entirely convinced, though, that this is 101 decision either.

By: Shrike

Shrike — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:31:37 +0000

What Bayne said.

-PL

By: Champ

Champ — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:50:14 +0000

Easy fold PrF. And Bayne's point about building chip utility here, is not a valid one. (And to be facing AAJT is killer. That's the absolute tip-top of his range.)

This should be an easy decision. You're playing the role of the dog, and to put any value on a 7 high connector is off-base. You're gambling on a bunch of babies with limited outs, and often times if you make it, it's not pure. (you'll be splitting half or 1/4 pot.)

In fact, this is major leak. A 101 type of leak.

And lol @ 47%. This isn't schmoldem! LOL!!! There is so much wrong with that statement...while that may be true to some degree. Omaha isn't a PrF game...that's where the hold'em error occur.

By: Bayne_S

Bayne_S — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:18:52 +0000

1) WTF is JoMaha thinking?

2) There is a low 47% of hands.

3) PLO8 and NLO8 you really want to be playing for the high side with a chance at the low.

4) Early in cheap tourney going big or go home makes sense because you need a cheap stack to withstand some of the donkey beats you will take later