Comments on: Razz, the Thinking Man’s Junk Kick http://www.highonpoker.com/2006/11/razz-the-thinking-mans-junk-kick.html Tue, 31 Jan 2012 03:22:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Anonymous http://www.highonpoker.com/2006/11/razz-the-thinking-mans-junk-kick.html#comment-4795 Anonymous Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:22:00 +0000 http://69.73.186.10/~highonpo/2006/11/razz-the-thinking-mans-junk-kick.html#comment-4795 This blog site is clean and easy to navigate and the articles are very interesting. It’s a good source of information about casino,gambling, and online casino games. Thus, I’m looking for a blog site where my <a HREF="http://casinoreviewpages.com/" REL="nofollow">Best Online Casino</a> website is related too. I am glad that i found your blog, in this way we can share our good ideas and informations in the game world of casino. It’s a great blog. I really appreciate it. Keep it up! This blog site is clean and easy to navigate and the articles are very interesting. It’s a good source of information about casino,gambling, and online casino games. Thus, I’m looking for a blog site where my Best Online Casino website is related too. I am glad that i found your blog, in this way we can share our good ideas and informations in the game world of casino. It’s a great blog. I really appreciate it. Keep it up!

]]> By: DefendTheBlinds http://www.highonpoker.com/2006/11/razz-the-thinking-mans-junk-kick.html#comment-4638 DefendTheBlinds Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:41:00 +0000 http://69.73.186.10/~highonpo/2006/11/razz-the-thinking-mans-junk-kick.html#comment-4638 That's only if you plan on staying at those stakes as a grinder. <br/><br/>I have no problem with taking shots at something above my BR for one session if the game looks soft. <br/><br/>People put too much stock into bankroll management. Unless poker is your job, you can take shots semi-frequently if you aren't sitting in a game where you're outmatched by everyone. I wouldn't even sit in a bigger game where it's even. I always look for 2 or more fish at a table in order to take a shot, and if they go busto, I leave. That’s only if you plan on staying at those stakes as a grinder.

I have no problem with taking shots at something above my BR for one session if the game looks soft.

People put too much stock into bankroll management. Unless poker is your job, you can take shots semi-frequently if you aren’t sitting in a game where you’re outmatched by everyone. I wouldn’t even sit in a bigger game where it’s even. I always look for 2 or more fish at a table in order to take a shot, and if they go busto, I leave.

]]> By: SIF http://www.highonpoker.com/2006/11/razz-the-thinking-mans-junk-kick.html#comment-4637 SIF Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:21:00 +0000 http://69.73.186.10/~highonpo/2006/11/razz-the-thinking-mans-junk-kick.html#comment-4637 You have to err on the 500 Big Bet side of the 300-500 Big Bet rule of thumb for Stud games, because the variance is higher than HE and Omaha variants. I would therefore say you need an $8,000 bankroll to play 8/16 Razz.<br/><br/>As you point out in your post, although not explicitly, most Razz +EV comes from well-timed ante-steals and your opponent's failure to understand the basic math of the game. Ultimately, there aren't tons of "read" parts to the game online, because the key reading skill is understanding when a good one paired your opponent, and for that, you basically gotta watch the guy in the face when his up card lands. Classic stud poker reading skills. To the extent I like Razz at all, that's the only part I like about it. You have to err on the 500 Big Bet side of the 300-500 Big Bet rule of thumb for Stud games, because the variance is higher than HE and Omaha variants. I would therefore say you need an $8,000 bankroll to play 8/16 Razz.

As you point out in your post, although not explicitly, most Razz +EV comes from well-timed ante-steals and your opponent’s failure to understand the basic math of the game. Ultimately, there aren’t tons of “read” parts to the game online, because the key reading skill is understanding when a good one paired your opponent, and for that, you basically gotta watch the guy in the face when his up card lands. Classic stud poker reading skills. To the extent I like Razz at all, that’s the only part I like about it.

]]> By: slb159 http://www.highonpoker.com/2006/11/razz-the-thinking-mans-junk-kick.html#comment-4636 slb159 Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:33:00 +0000 http://69.73.186.10/~highonpo/2006/11/razz-the-thinking-mans-junk-kick.html#comment-4636 I still have never seen this happen personally...unless it's just the three down cards since, all four up cards have always stayed in place for myself and my opponent(s).<br/><br/>I've had a person at a table narrow it down and say that they rearrange them in the order to show the top hand (best hand) you are holding. I haven't seen that either. Maybe I'm missing something, or have an "auto-rearrange" button disabled, but I'll look into it some more.<br/><br/>Best of luck. I still have never seen this happen personally…unless it’s just the three down cards since, all four up cards have always stayed in place for myself and my opponent(s).

I’ve had a person at a table narrow it down and say that they rearrange them in the order to show the top hand (best hand) you are holding. I haven’t seen that either. Maybe I’m missing something, or have an “auto-rearrange” button disabled, but I’ll look into it some more.

Best of luck.

]]> By: DefendTheBlinds http://www.highonpoker.com/2006/11/razz-the-thinking-mans-junk-kick.html#comment-4635 DefendTheBlinds Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:19:00 +0000 http://69.73.186.10/~highonpo/2006/11/razz-the-thinking-mans-junk-kick.html#comment-4635 I might be down for some NLHE at Foxwoods now that you can buy into the 1-2 game for $300. I might be down for some NLHE at Foxwoods now that you can buy into the 1-2 game for $300.

]]> By: HighOnPoker http://www.highonpoker.com/2006/11/razz-the-thinking-mans-junk-kick.html#comment-4634 HighOnPoker Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:05:00 +0000 http://69.73.186.10/~highonpo/2006/11/razz-the-thinking-mans-junk-kick.html#comment-4634 Actually, Sox, this was an anomoly in his play. He was playing much better before this, and he and I had one craptastic player between us, so we just took turns taking his money. I guess he must've saw my aggression against the other guy and took it as a signal that I was playing crap. Either that, or he noticed that I was playing fairly conservatively against him, and took me for making a preflop bluff attempt. But yeah, this hand is total donkitude on his part. Actually, Sox, this was an anomoly in his play. He was playing much better before this, and he and I had one craptastic player between us, so we just took turns taking his money. I guess he must’ve saw my aggression against the other guy and took it as a signal that I was playing crap. Either that, or he noticed that I was playing fairly conservatively against him, and took me for making a preflop bluff attempt. But yeah, this hand is total donkitude on his part.

]]> By: SoxLover http://www.highonpoker.com/2006/11/razz-the-thinking-mans-junk-kick.html#comment-4633 SoxLover Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:11:00 +0000 http://69.73.186.10/~highonpo/2006/11/razz-the-thinking-mans-junk-kick.html#comment-4633 You were probably way ahead on 4th street as most likely he paired an ace--as you say his most likely holding with a J on board is two babies, and you didn't have ace at all so it is quite likely that is what he had.<br/><br/>Even if he caught perfect on 4th e.g. with 23 in the hole), you are still ahead 59-41 (http://twodimes.net/poker/?g=r&b=&d=qh&h=7c+4d+5c+9d+%0D%0A2c+3d+Jh+As%0D%0A)<br/><br/>On 5th, even if he is not paired and you are, you've actually improved slightly to 60/40 (http://twodimes.net/poker/?g=r&b=&d=qh&h=7c+4d+5c+9d+5h%0D%0A2c+3d+Jh+As+ts%0D%0A)--he is crushed if he is paired 80-20.<br/><br/>Your raise to 32 on 5th is pretty much automatic.<br/><br/>Moral of the story is I will lay you 18:3 that he is an idiot. Open calling on 3rd with paint up with babies to follow is generally suicidal in this game. Tag the fish and go back for more. You were probably way ahead on 4th street as most likely he paired an ace–as you say his most likely holding with a J on board is two babies, and you didn’t have ace at all so it is quite likely that is what he had.

Even if he caught perfect on 4th e.g. with 23 in the hole), you are still ahead 59-41 (http://twodimes.net/poker/?g=r&b=&d=qh&h=7c+4d+5c+9d+2c+3d+Jh+As)

On 5th, even if he is not paired and you are, you’ve actually improved slightly to 60/40 (http://twodimes.net/poker/?g=r&b=&d=qh&h=7c+4d+5c+9d+5h2c+3d+Jh+As+ts)–he is crushed if he is paired 80-20.

Your raise to 32 on 5th is pretty much automatic.

Moral of the story is I will lay you 18:3 that he is an idiot. Open calling on 3rd with paint up with babies to follow is generally suicidal in this game. Tag the fish and go back for more.

]]> By: Pokerwolf http://www.highonpoker.com/2006/11/razz-the-thinking-mans-junk-kick.html#comment-4632 Pokerwolf Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:00:00 +0000 http://69.73.186.10/~highonpo/2006/11/razz-the-thinking-mans-junk-kick.html#comment-4632 I've thought about bumping up in limits for Razz, but I'm going to wait until my bankroll is bigger. If I'm losing at Razz, I tend to lose big. I’ve thought about bumping up in limits for Razz, but I’m going to wait until my bankroll is bigger. If I’m losing at Razz, I tend to lose big.

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